cofty 2 minutes ago
Admittedly I'm not an expert on blood procedures"Then why not stop making a lot of noise, take a step back and listen to those who are?"
So we have here armchair hematologists and immunologists ?
i admit to not being very well informed about the watchtower's view on blood transfusions.
i have a couple of questions that i hope someone here is able to answer.. i understand that the watchtower now considers it to be okay to receive blood fractions.. my first question is: are all fractions considered to be permissible?
and if not, specifically which fractions are not permissible?.
Admittedly I'm not an expert on blood procedures"Then why not stop making a lot of noise, take a step back and listen to those who are?"
So we have here armchair hematologists and immunologists ?
i admit to not being very well informed about the watchtower's view on blood transfusions.
i have a couple of questions that i hope someone here is able to answer.. i understand that the watchtower now considers it to be okay to receive blood fractions.. my first question is: are all fractions considered to be permissible?
and if not, specifically which fractions are not permissible?.
After receiving a transplant, white blood cell count will decrease quickly and will remain low until the new cells begin to grow (engraftment). During this time, you are at great risk for developing an infection since you will not have white blood cells to fight bacteria, viruses or fungi. We are talking bloodless surgery here where
the donor's blood is flushed from the body as the organs are flushed. The blood is not used in any transfusions. So it would be dumb to transfer millions of white blood cells and think its acceptable
https://www.ahn.org/specialties/bloodless-medicine/organ-transplantation-without-blood
i admit to not being very well informed about the watchtower's view on blood transfusions.
i have a couple of questions that i hope someone here is able to answer.. i understand that the watchtower now considers it to be okay to receive blood fractions.. my first question is: are all fractions considered to be permissible?
and if not, specifically which fractions are not permissible?.
Admittedly I'm not an expert on blood procedures ,This is what Ive found on the subject
Patients who are Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood transfusions and blood products as a matter of faith. For surgical procedures during which substantial blood loss is possible, their refusal presents a challenge. 'Anesthetists must generally respect the requests of adults not to receive blood and thus should have a clear understanding of how they will respond in the event of bleeding. Several blood conservation techniques are available for consideration, including acute normovolemic hemodilution. This technique entails the preoperative phlebotomy of whole blood that contains a high concentration of red blood cells and coagulation Patiefactors, while replacing the lost volume with a crystalloid and/or colloid infusion. The procured whole blood can then be transfused back during or after the procedure as a treatment of hypovolemia. Leaving the procured blood continuously attached to the patient through the collection tubing makes the procedure acceptable to most Jehovah's Witness patients. Current literature is unclear when this technique should be used. In this particular case, acute normovolemic hemodilution contributed to the successful outcome of an anemic Jehovah's Witness who was undergoing major surgery.
it’s funny how a simple question like this is something that the dubs never even consider.
my dad asked this question to a couple of witnesses and they wondered for a minute and said; .
“i never thought about it, i’ll have to ask the elders”.
That would be the case if Adam was like a cave man with little or no intelligence and just plain dumb and stupid grabbing Eve by the hair and dragging her into a cave or something. But that was not the case they have found in the Aztec world.
Aztecs used relatively primitive tools for Aztec farming and agriculture. They did not have advanced tools for the time such as plows. The most important tool for Aztec farming and agriculture was the classic wooden digging stick.The Aztecs did not have iron or bronze to make cool weapons. They used obsidian and chert. When the Spanish came, the Aztecs made an advancement to copper weapons. Aztec technology was so advanced, they even made drills out of reed and bones.The Aztecs knew in order to settle down successfully that they would need many engineers and builders and traders. They adapted to their environment. They built canoes so they could hunt and fish. They created medicines from the many plants they found in the area.
I just use them as examples and Adam had to be more intelligent than these were.
You make it sound like outside of the garden was a wast land barren a dusk bowl,God wouldn't banish them to die of starvation.Its not reasonable to think the only trees and plants on earth were just in the garden
Gen 1 NWT
Then
God said: “Let the earth cause grass to sprout, seed-bearing plants and
fruit trees according to their kinds, yielding fruit along with seed on
the earth.” And it was so.
12 And the earth began to produce grass, seed-bearing plants+ and trees yielding fruit along with seed, according to their kinds
i admit to not being very well informed about the watchtower's view on blood transfusions.
i have a couple of questions that i hope someone here is able to answer.. i understand that the watchtower now considers it to be okay to receive blood fractions.. my first question is: are all fractions considered to be permissible?
and if not, specifically which fractions are not permissible?.
Youre saying blood storage is approved is my contention is its not .The procedure of hemodilution,this is a procedure that can be done during surgery that dont require storage of the blood,you make it sound like it can be stored as well , amount of blood is allowed to recirculate is no difference than dialysis.
is this a bad joke or "fake news"?.
nbc new york is claiming "attorneys are expected on monday to announce the filing of lawsuits in king's county supreme court against eight members of the governing body of the jehovah's witnesses for alleged child sexual abuse claims.".
eventhough i would enjoy to see this happen i am very suspiciouse concerning nbcs reliability with this case.. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/happening-today-nj-water-cosby-appeal-epstein-probe-536740491.html.
These were false brothers in the first century and false brothers today that have slipped in to the congregations and done horrible thing to women and under ages girls the bible warned of such so why is this such a shock its happening in Gods clean organization
New Living Translation
Even
that question came up only because of some so-called believers
there—false ones, really—who were secretly brought in. They sneaked in
to spy on us and take away the freedom we have in Christ Jesus
Contemporary English Version
We went there because of those who pretended to be followers and had sneaked in among us as spies
NWT Jude 1
These are the rocks hidden below water at your love feasts+ while they feast with you, shepherds who feed themselves without fear;+ waterless clouds carried here and there by the wind;+ fruitless trees in late autumn, having died twice.These men are murmurers,+ complainers about their lot in life, following their own desires,+ and their mouths make grandiose boasts, while they are flattering others* for their own benefit.+These are the ones who cause divisions,+ animalistic men,* not having spirituality.
And yes some are Elders who had responsibility in the congregation
So your post exposes nothing that hasn't been predicted in scripture
i admit to not being very well informed about the watchtower's view on blood transfusions.
i have a couple of questions that i hope someone here is able to answer.. i understand that the watchtower now considers it to be okay to receive blood fractions.. my first question is: are all fractions considered to be permissible?
and if not, specifically which fractions are not permissible?.
i admit to not being very well informed about the watchtower's view on blood transfusions.
i have a couple of questions that i hope someone here is able to answer.. i understand that the watchtower now considers it to be okay to receive blood fractions.. my first question is: are all fractions considered to be permissible?
and if not, specifically which fractions are not permissible?.
Techniques for intraoperative collection or hemodilution that involve blood storage are objectionable to them. Im not speaking for all JWs I said Each one of JWs has to do what his conscience dictates,
Show the evidence,you just made a blank statement
its taken from 1 thessalonians 4:13-17. now jesus compared the end to the days of noah .
but as the days of noah were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be.
why did he compare the two and does it give us a clue to which teaching is the right one?.
Why do we think we are special ?
Because we were made in Gods image thats why
a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.
two days ago, i received a response from them.
i think this is gonna be the first of many.
Regarding 607 B.C.E ,its the date JWs came up with 1914 as the end of the gentile times,so if 607 is wrong then 1914 is wrong.First the Jews in first century had expectation of the Messiah why was this?
NWT
Now the people were in expectation and all of them were reasoning in their hearts about John, “May he perhaps be the Christ?”
The prophetess Anna “began giving thanks to God and speaking about the child to all who were waiting for Jerusalem’s deliverance.”
The first-century Jews may have calculated the time of the Messiah’s arrival on the basis of the prophecy of the 70 weeks recorded at Daniel 9:24-27
NWT
There are 70 weeks that have been determined for your people and your holy city, in order to terminate the transgression, to finish off sin, to make atonement for error, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up the vision and the prophecy, and to anoint the Holy of Holies. 25 You should know and understand that from the issuing of the word to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem until Mes·siʹah the Leader, there will be 7 weeks, also 62 weeks. She will be restored and rebuilt, with a public square and moat, but in times of distress.
26 “And after the 62 weeks, Mes·siʹah will be cut off, with nothing for himself
Certain Jews believed that the 70 weeks covered the period from the destruction of the first temple in 607 B.C.E. to the destruction of the second temple in 70 C.E
It cannot be confirmed that people in Jesus’ day correctly understood the prophecy of the 70 weeks. However, the Gospels provide other sound reasons why the people would have been “in expectation” of the Messiah.
So which date was it 587 B.C.E or 607
The Jews were banished for 70 years ,when did it begin ,google shows several dates to confuse ones who want the truth so lets look at scripture not google,
NWT
All the days it lay desolate it kept sabbath, to fulfill 70 years.+
When were the Jews released? fall of 537 B.C.E., the Jews had returned to Jerusalem
Google Showing results for what year did Cyrus II conquered Babylon
Cyrus takes Babylon. In October 539 BCE, the Persian king Cyrus took Babylon, the ancient capital of an empire covering modern Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Israel. In a broader sense, Babylon was the ancient world's capital of scholarship and science
Many here know the spill 2520 from 607 = 1914
But wait we have Jesus pointing towards in the future to that date 1914 ,have anyone here ever read that bombshell? how did he predict 1914 as something special .
Matt 24
NWT
While
he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him
privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be
the sign of your presence*+ and of the conclusion of the system of things?”*+
What exactly were they asking Jesus here,were they asking him when will he return from heaven to set up his Kingdom on earth? some translations read the sign of your coming and the end of the world .,NO the Jews were being stepped on under rule and wanted Gods earthly Kingdom restored right then now thousands of years later,proof of that is a question they asked Jesus AFTER he was resurrected ;
Acts 1
He was seen by them throughout 40 days, and he was speaking about the Kingdom of God.6 So when they had assembled, they asked him: “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?
If the question in Matt which was much earlier was what will be your sing of you coming why would they now ask him
[Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?]
They couldn't have asked him about his COMING since they didn't expect he was going anywhere after he was resurrected
He already told them his Kingdom was heavenly not earthly over and over again
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world
So he was to leave and not set up an earthly Kingdom but set up in heaven,but when?
He told then the time period when his Kingdom would be established
Matt 24
NWT
For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom,
What was he speaking of here ,was it not a world war? yes the war of 1914
2520 from 607 = 1914
No other date fits many who go to Church dont believe Gods Kingdom has already been established and dont think about it but only going to heaven
In contrast Jesus who they claim to follow said :
NWT
And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations,+ and then the end will come.
The Kingdom has to already be established to preach about it logically ,but you never hear about that in a Church,what are Church goers being fed since Jesus said after his Kingdom is born in heaven he would appoint a Slave to fed his sheep.
Matt NWT
45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?+
46 Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so!+
47 Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.
JWs say he appointed them as the slave to fed his sheep after he came or became King in 1914 ,he didnt come again to the earth in 1914 ,he didnt go anywhere ,
The Churches dont believe this but still look for Jesus to return or come again so this means no slave has been appointed in Christendom to fed they followers since he hasn't returned ,\.Think of what that means ,Jesus is in heaven and has not provided a Shepard to feed his sheep if we are to believe the Churches teachings because he clearly said;
NWT
his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time
NIV
whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food
NLT
whom the master can give the responsibility of managing his other household servants and feeding them
Young's Literal Translation
'Who, then, is the servant, faithful and wise, whom his lord did set
over his household, to give them the nourishment in season?
The point is since he hasn't returned according to Church teachings then his sheep are starving spiritually because he said when he return he will appoint a slave to fed his sheep,he certainly would need to appoint a slave when he returned for a supposed rapture since all his followers would be saved and wouldn't need to be fed spiritually .
So JWs teaching makes more sense that 1914 the Kingdom was established ,he then soon after appointed a slave to care for his sheep and condemned all the Churches who were unfaithful while blessing the 1914 war ,remember it was addressed in a form of a question;
Darby Bible Translation
Who then is the faithful and prudent bondman whom his lord has set over his household, to give them food in season?
The WTBTS proved to be the faithful one not the Churches